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by asplake12 days ago

As a Brit, got to say that I wish we used Europlugs here. Ours are so bulky (a pain for anything portable), and the US ones seem so flimsy.

Also, there ought to be a museum of hotel electrics. Weird light switch behaviour, dumb (pre phone charger) socket placement, heating/cooling controls, etc

by smcl12 days ago

As a Brit living in the EU, I kinda miss the ones back home - for two reasons, the grip and the orientation. I don't know anything about relative safety of either, this is purely about UX :)

The UK plugs usually have a very clear way to grip them and pull them out of the socket, and yanking them by the cable neither looks nor feels right. Whereas the Europlug ones I have mostly have a very dainty, slight place to grip with your fingers and are often very tight - often they really invite you to pull by the cable itself.

There's a little bit of ambiguity about orientation - sometimes the socket has an extra prong sticking out meaning you have to use the plug the right way up, and sometimes there's none. But it can sometimes happen that you're not sure if you're a few degrees out in aligning the prongs in the plug, or if you're just the wrong way up and the earth prong is in the way. Obviously if you can see the socket this isn't a huge issue, but if you're reaching behind a TV unit, or a desk or a counter etc you're in for a bit of fumbling.

I have a similar feeling around lightswitches - the European ones are large, delicate and a little flimsy and the UK ones are little and compact and feel solid. I think it's not allowed to have the UK switches here, which is a shame otherwise I'd fit out my flat with them :)

update: oh speaking of switches I completely forgot that power sockets generally also have an on/off switch in the UK. I guess it comes down to personal preference but I liked having the extra "off" switch for reasons that I can't quite articulate

by adders12 days ago

Yes, the Brit plugs are great until you step on them in the night

Funny comparison of different plugs from a few years ago https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/plug-versus-plug/

by cameronh9012 days ago

Who just leaves plugs lying around on the floor though?

by smcl12 days ago

To be honest unexpectedly stepping on any plug that's lying around on the floor is pretty unpleasant :)

by simondotau12 days ago

Yes but the UK plug has a high likelihood of idling with its prongs pointing up, a characteristic not shared with most other plug designs. As painful as it is to step on the side of a plug, stepping directly on the prongs is worse.

by ponyous12 days ago

European living in England, I really dislike the English ones. I got shocked once because it was so hard to pull out I had to use both hands and accidentally touched both pins at the same time...

I prefer both plugs and switches in Europe. Probably for the same reasons as you - I grew up with them, and they feel right.

by rxt_ian12 days ago

The live prongs are insulated to such a length you should not be able to touch any conductive part before the plug is no longer making electrical contact with the socket.

It's likely you got a small zap from a filtering capacitor inside the device that had not yet discharged.

by ponyous12 days ago

I am not an expert and the shock didn't feel as bad as I expected so you are probably right.

by iso163112 days ago

If it was a genuine plug, but there are non-genuine plugs around which aren't insulated (as well as ones with an insulated Earth!). If the plug was older than 1984 it could even have been genuine, as insulation wasn't required until then.

by cjrp12 days ago

That's where the off switch on the socket should be used; another handy design feature!

by mytailorisrich12 days ago

As an European who's travelled and now lives in the UK I find that the British plugs and sockets are the best ones.

The metal connectors are big, but that feels like quality, but the plugs are not bulky off the wall because of the overall angled design (European plugs actually eat up more space off the wall because they are straight although of course europlugs take much less surface area on the wall), which is good behind furnitures or where space is tight. There is only one sort of plug and it has a well designed earth connector. Plugs include a fuse and it's easily replaceable (this is partly due to the standard use of ring circuits in the UK but I find it a nice feature anyway). They have very good grip and stay in place very well (compare this to europlug...). Sockets have an integrated switch.

British plugs are a quiet success (the other one being postcodes).

by ginko12 days ago

I disagree, way overengineered and bulky. The fuse is only necessary due to shoddy British wiring standards.

by BerislavLopac12 days ago

> The fuse is only necessary due to shoddy British wiring standards

In other words, they're solving a very real problem here. And so is the rest of the plug as well.

It seems that most of the continental Europeans that have moved to the UK (myself included) are positively amazed by the details of the UK plug design.

by barrkel12 days ago

The area around Swiss sockets are more bulky in practice because (a) wires come out at 90 degrees to the wall and (b) adapters and extensions and whatnot are required to plug in wall-warts, which are really common these days, whether it's USB power for various gadgets, cordless vacuum cleaners, video Alexa (not USB-powered), etc.

by quietbritishjim12 days ago

> the plugs are not bulky off the wall because of the overall angled design

Not only that, also gravity pulling on the cable naturally tends to pull European and North American plugs out of their sockets, whereas this angled design in UK plugs prevents that.

by fooblat12 days ago

Gravity is a problem for N American plugs but not for Euro or Schucko plugs in Schucko sockets. This is what they have in Germany and the Netherlands. The plugs fit in snugly and do not move. If you don't push in enough to "lock" in then a spring (or something) pushes the plug back out. So it is very obvious when it is in correctly and basically can't be partially plugged in. Gravity has no impact on the plugs in my house whatsoever.

The Schucko plug/socket system is very robust, safe, and well designed.

by Phemist12 days ago

I studied as an Erasmus student for a year in England. Every European student I knew had an "epiphany" moment where they realised that standard European plugs work on UK sockets, if you stick a pen in the ground "hole" to unlock the rest of the socket holes.

Converters are a pain to use, they are always flimsy and there always too few available. It is usually not worth getting UK specific plugs for the short-ish duration of the Erasmus period.

Safety and the increased fire hazard was, in our student-mindset, a small sacrifice for the convenience we got in return.

by Symbiote12 days ago

With the modern Europlug design, this tends to wreck the British sockets, as the prongs can get jammed.

by OJFord12 days ago

We win on Earth, though. I'd be with you if Europlugs had a central Earth (still reversible) that was longer, making contact first & opening shutters as BS1363.

Shame BS546 ('lighting circuit') sockets aren't (still) more common really. You could (buy a house with them or fit them and) replace plugs on cables of course, but not your USB charger with plug & transformer in a single moulding.

by ginko12 days ago

The ground contacts in Schuko plugs DO make contact first. It's just less obvious from the design I guess.

by OJFord12 days ago

I'm aware, but Schuko != Europlug (despite being a plug used in many Euro countries), does not have shutters on the live/neutral opened by Earth contact, and (partly consequently) can often be trivially (mis)used not Earthing a device which should be.

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by tremon12 days ago

It isn't that trivial, as a device that should be earthed is not allowed to be sold with a Euro plug, they must have a Schuko plug. And likewise, an extension cord featuring Schuko sockets must have a Schuko plug, so there is officially no way to connect a Schuko device through a Euro plug.

The real problem is with classic sockets as shown in [1]: these are two-pin (unearthed) sockets that can accept a Schuko plug nonetheless, and are widely used even in residential newbuilds, at least in NL. I think the building code has been updated now, but it's very common here to have entire rooms where the sockets don't even have a third wire in the wall box.

[1] https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/ContEUR_part2.html

by jacquesm12 days ago

Almost all of the sockets installed today have these shutters integrated, you need to put something synchronously into both neutral and live to get them to open.

by afiori12 days ago

In the uk plugs the ground contact also acts as a switch; you actually can use an europlug with the uk sockets but you need insert something in the ground pin anyway (some sockets simply a plastic pin instead of a connector)

by mytailorisrich12 days ago

It does not act as a switch. The way it usually works, as mentioned by OJFord, is that wall sockets have safety shutters on the live and neutral connectors, which open when the earth pin is inserted in the earth connector in order to prevent a plug without earth from being connected. That's why sockets always have an earth pin even if only plastic on some cheap ones (for double insulated devices that do not require an earth connection).

Pretty cool feature.

by ClumsyPilot12 days ago

Mobile phone adapters and other low power devices don't use the Earth even in Uk, they have a plastic prong there and you just get extra weight and bulk.

by jacquesm12 days ago

This goes for many devices that have an isolation transformer or equivalent in their primary circuitry. Beware of cheap knockoffs though, they will look the same but will lack that isolation and possibly the separation required to make such a device safely and they won't have ground. So if anything fails there the return path to earth will be you. Better hope you have a ground fault protector in place when that happens.

by aigo12 days ago

I"m doing by bit for those lighting sockets, I've just had about eight or ten installed all around my house. Turning on lamps from the wall light switch as you enter a room is a massive quality of life upgrade.

by dvdkon12 days ago

I have to say I like the CEE 7/5 exposed ground, it's admittedly a niche use, but it's easy to touch and/or clip onto.

by gmac12 days ago

Fellow Brit, strongly disagree. The Europlug feels to me barely less flimsy than the US type. Ours and the Schuko are about the only ones I feel fully safe using.

by tiziano8812 days ago

If I had to choose a plug to use all over the world, it would actually probably be the UK one (or perhaps a slightly less bulky version of it). See https://youtu.be/UEfP1OKKz_Q

by wongarsu12 days ago

The Schuko and Europlug have the same safety features as the British one:

- the same shutters prevent screwdrivers

- A plug half in isn't an issue because the sockets are recessed (but as an additional measure the Europlug has the half-way isolation like the British plug)

The only real advantage of the British plug over Schuko is the fuse (a debatable feature) and the known polarity (Schuko and Europlug don't differentiate between live and neutral).

Nice features that the Schuko variant has that the British plug is missing:

- Ground connection is exposed in the socket, giving you an obvious way to reliably ground yourself (useful when working with electronics)

- Recessed socket design allows plugs that barely stick out (those are not the norm, but are available for use behind furniture etc)

- You have Schuko for "serious" use (ground wire, high current) and Europlug for things that don't need either, with Europlug fitting in Schuko outlets. This gives extension cords more flexibility, many have a mix of Schuko and Europlug outlets to fit more plugs in the same space.

by Vinnl12 days ago

> Nice features that the Schuko variant has that the British plug is missing:

It also doesn't land with the sharp side up, saving a whole lot of people from accidentally and painfully stepping on it.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

> The only real advantage of the British plug over Schuko is the fuse (a debatable feature)

Could I ask why a fuse is debatable? Seems like quite a basic security feature. There's a good video[0] on the design of UK plugs if you're interested.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

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by wongarsu12 days ago

If it's such a basic security feature, what is it actually protecting?

In a standard (non-British) home, each room has a separate (10A or 16A) breaker in the breaker panel. That breaker protects the wires from overheating (preventing cable fires), and in more modern instances might protect the human from electric shock with an RCD. Then each device may have an internal (usually self-resetting) fuse to protect itself from failure modes. That fuse is tuned to the device needs, both in how fast it triggers and how much current it allows.

What does a fuse in the cable buy you? It can't reliably protect the device, because the user might replace the cable or replace a blown fuse with one with a different rating. It can't protect wires because it's after the house wiring, a large number of functioning devices overheating your wires is at least as likely as a single malfunctioning device. The only context in which it makes sense it the one Tom Scott mentions: you have a copper shortage, so you put the entire flat or even house on one circuit with one fuse. And because you don't want to cut electricity to everything every time there's a short somewhere you put little fuses everywhere.

It's a good design for the circumstances of post-war Britain, but we aren't living in a copper shortage right now.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

The UK plug is honestly one of the best things the UK has ever done. It's reliable, hard to pull out via the cable, running at a sensible voltage, and they just feel so sturdy. Rectangular contacts also hold a grip much better than round ones (in America and friends).

I've heard horror stories about American plug sockets. It's just way too easy to shock yourself. And then you have all the other weirdness, like 240V on the grid being stepped down for 120V for appliances. Wouldn't it be easier (and more energy-efficient), to use 240V instead of stepping it down and having to pull more current at the appliance level to make up for the voltage?

by jakedata12 days ago

Here in the states we do not step 240v down to 120v. Typically a home has 240v split-phase service with 240v available L1 to L2 and 120v by using L1 or L2 to neutral. Our circuit breaker panels alternate L1 and L2 bus connections internally so a column of single breakers will alternate between L1 and L2 for balance while a double breaker will get 240v by connecting to both busses. A 240v double breaker has a physical connection between the trip levers so that an overload on either leg will trip both.

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by kruador12 days ago

Relevant video: Technology Connections, "The US electrical system is not 120V", where there is a (long) discussion of how the breaker panel works and how you get 240V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4

by tentacleuno12 days ago

> Here in the states we do not step 240v down to 120v. Typically a home has 240v split-phase service with 240v available L1 to L2 and 120v by using L1 or L2 to neutral.

Ahh, thank you! I should have checked that point more thoroughly.

by Kaibeezy12 days ago

A serious problem with UK fused plugs is when you buy a device so inexpensive it ships with a molded, un-fused plug. Mostly I've had that with removable cords, which can be replaced, but still.

by BoxOfRain12 days ago

I recently bought a variac for testing some old audio gear, it had a Europlug but contained an adaptor for UK plugs. The only thing was despite having an ordinary metal earth pin the adaptor never actually made contact with the existing plug's earth connector. That could have been dodgy!

by Symbiote12 days ago

Those are probably illegal, and a general problem with anything you might buy from Ali Express etc.

by ginko12 days ago

I'd say if we could pick a clean slate design for everyone then I'd go with the Swiss[1] one. Maybe also run it at 400V since modern cables should be able to handle that.

[1] https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Swiss1.html

by barrkel12 days ago

Wall warts of various kinds don't work well with the typical Swiss cluster of three sockets at 120 degree angles to each other. Frequently, various extenders need to be added to actually plug more than one thing into the cluster.

Wires typically come out directly from the rear of the plug, making for a not particularly neat plug scenario. I find myself using 90-degree adapters a lot of the time.

Extension bars also often take advantage of the reduced space requirements, meaning that many of the slots can't be used if you're plugging in any wall warts there.

Finally, UK electricity is 13A @ 240V, whereas Swiss electricity - like most of continental Europe - is 10A @ 220V. The gap here is significant when (a) you need to extend a socket because of space constraints, especially in the kitchen, and (b) when you want a fast-boiling kettle. I had to get a new kettle when I moved to Switzerland and it's noticeably slower to boil.

by MayeulC12 days ago

> Finally, UK electricity is 13A @ 240V, whereas Swiss electricity - like most of continental Europe - is 10A @ 220V

I wonder where you got this idea. Both are 230V. Schulko plugs are 10 or 16 amps (with bigger connectors), 16 A is quite common in my experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEE_7_standard_AC_plugs_and_so...

https://www.leadsdirect.co.uk/knowledge-base/what-is-the-dif...

> EU 230V -10% +6% (i.e. 207.0 V-243.8 V)

> UK 230V -6% +10% (i.e. 216.2 V – 253.0 V)

by _djo_12 days ago

The Swiss one was codified as an international standard as IEC 60906-1, which South Africa and Brazil have adopted, so it should be the de facto option for any country looking to replace their current system.

The problem with replacing British plugs is that they need fuses because most British houses are wired with ring circuits, instead of radial circuits like the rest of the world. So I don't see them moving to a new standard any time soon.

by TorKlingberg12 days ago

Specifically most UK mains are fused at 30A, which is more than appliance cables are rated for. So you need a fuse in either the plug or the socket.

by _djo_12 days ago

Thanks for that clarification!

by silon4212 days ago

In Slovenia/ex-Yu we had a very similiar (but bigger) 3 phase (400V) plug/socket like that (https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Obsolete_3hd.html #9,10). You can still find it in old houses.

One probably could force the Europlug into it (looks very close), I haven't tried.

by dingo45412 days ago

I really like this design due to how compact it is. Italy has an almost identical historical design*, but the earth is not offset so LN can be swapped.

Both plugs and sockets are very compact, which is a far cry from the emerging standard which is the shuko/europlug which takes twice the space. Almost all new houses are equipped with shuko sockets.

But the sockets here do not have the additional prong to avoid swapping the neutral, so they're effectively just a waste of space.

* at least, we have two sizes for it, a smaller one rated for 8A, and the newer for 16A which we commonly have today.

by afiori12 days ago

In Italy in practice there are 4 common plugs, 2 type L (big and small), the schuko (type F) with many variations and the europlug.

the compatibility table is not trivial (in particular the europlug is compatible with everithing except the big type L sockets) and while new houses might be to nicer standards, there are a lot of very old houses in italy (i lived in a house from ~1850) and many public spaces use the cheapest sockets they can find so you either get a small type L (accepts also europlugs) a simple schuko (accepts also europlugs and unhearthed small type L) or a big type L (accepts only big type L).

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by hvusslax12 days ago

Is the BTicino plug (https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Italian2.html) used at all in Italy now? There was a serious attempt at adopting it in Iceland in the late 1970s to early 1980s. These sockets can still be found in homes that were built in that period and they are just called "Italian sockets".

by dingo45412 days ago

Oh I know, I lived in a old house as well and circled through europe so I've seen/suffered all the plugs from UK/France/Germany/Italy...

In this regard, long live the "europlug" and the trend switching towards type F sockets.

But I was just lamenting the bulkiness of it in general.

by lukeh12 days ago

I have a vague memory of getting the Apple (two-pronged) Swiss and European travel kit plugs mixed up, slightly different tolerances, resulting in one very hard to remove iPhone charger.

by cardinalfang12 days ago

Similarly you can fit a UK shaver into a Europlug socket, but may not be able to get it out again.

by cranekam12 days ago

Another cool thing about the Swiss system is the derived 3 phase T15/T25 plugs:

https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Swiss_3hd.html

Our washing machine uses a T15 plug but the socket can also accept a T12 single phase plug instead.

(As a Brit, I'd also pick the Swiss plug as the best, except that the fuseless design wouldn't be good in the UK because of the 30A ring system described in another comment.)

by londons_explore12 days ago

In a clean slate design, I would have all power 5 volts unless negotiated higher.

And it could be negotiated up to 100,000 volts for charging cars with a thin cool cable. 100,000 volts is perfectly safe as long as system capacitance is kept tiny, and leakage current constantly measured. In fact, the voltage of the sparks when you take off a fleece jumper are more than that.

by 795212 days ago

Such a system would need a box in the basement and lots of seperate wires to outlets, which would be expensive. Or it would need to put more smarts in wall sockets, similar to adding USB. This is more of a safety risk than just plugging in a usb charger. It requires more skill to install, reduces seperation between high and low voltage parts, could become obselete and has components that might wear out. Also, any system that encourages the use of extension cables is a safety risk. The last thing we want is someone plugging a 5kw heater into an extension cord bought on Ebay.

The current system is nice and flexible and simple enough to be safe. Extension cords work well when you are plugging in a bunch of usb devices and tv/laptop/console. But you can also use the same outlet for a hair dryer or a mixer. Higher current devices like ovens, showers, and cars need to be treated seperately to prevent unsuitable parts adding a fire risk. Lack of compatability to domestic appliances is a feature.

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by londons_explore12 days ago

> The current system is [...] safe.

Well, it kills 1000+ people per year in electrical fires in the USA alone. We would never allow electricity in homes like this if it were invented today.

> Such a system would need a box in the basement and lots of seperate wires to outlets.

Yes. But if high voltages can safely be used, and the system is safe in case a cable gets chafed, then the wires become super thin like headphone wires, and overall, the whole system could be produced cheaper than existing systems which use a lot of copper and plastic.

Fire is eliminated too, because a high tech solution measures power losses at every connection, and as soon as enough is unaccounted for to possibly be heating something up to the point of a fire, it switches off.

The main disadvantage is that every appliance or device needs circuitry to measure power flows. This is mitigated by the fact that voltage is variable - low power devices could simply run off 5 to 20 volts at sub-1-amp and not bother with any fancy measurement. Only high power stuff would need the high voltages and all the safety circuitry.

by gswdh12 days ago

This would be a crazy system.

How do you change the voltage from 5V to 100kV? A SMPS? What voltage do you supply to the SMPS? You want each socket to be able to supply 5V up to 100kV ~10kW for car charging? Have you seen the size of a 10kW SMPS!? For each socket!!!??? Do you need 10kW at 5V? I think the current system of medium power supply ability and a specific converter in the attached appliance as and when is needed makes more sense.

by Sosh10112 days ago

I have the opposite opinion. There are many things I don't link about europlugs, but the tubular prongs are probably the worst thing IMO. The friction between them and the contacts in the socket is often so much that it's no uncommon to pull the whole socket out of the wall when removing a plug. Also sometimes the "dome" at the end of the prong can get dented with extended use, making it very difficult to insert, and sometimes damaging the socket (though this may be due to cheap plugs). Also lack of on-socket switches means a lot of stuff stays powered needlessly.

by dairylee12 days ago

Thankfully Google make collapsible plugs[1] which make taking my charger on holiday nice and painless. Shame more companies don't so something similar if the product is portable.

1: https://store.google.com/gb/product/usb_c_30w_charger

by dspillett12 days ago

I've had a plug like that from another manufacturer, and you can get them easily as after-market parts.

It is a shame that the mü range by Made In Mind is dying, I have one of their USB2 models and it is rather convenient to pack. They are a tad expensive compared to others though.

by goodcanadian12 days ago

I like the Aus/NZ ones. Relatively compact like the North American ones, but very sturdy, in my opinion.

by pansa212 days ago

Compared to UK plugs, the Australian pins are very thin and the earth pin is optional. This makes it easy to insert a plug at a slightly wrong angle and make electrical contact without the socket gripping the plug at all.

Also the pins can get bent out of alignment fairly easily, which almost never happens with UK plugs.

by stephen_g12 days ago

I'll agree the pins could have been made a bit thicker and they do bend a bit, say, if you step on them with shoes. But the earth pin is definitely not optional - it is not present if a device is double insulated, but must be present if the device is not (even though the live and neutral pins are angled so you can't plug it in upside down, and the neutral is grounded in the switch box - you still have the separate protective earth pin on the cable to every device that needs it in case the wall socket is wired incorrectly).

I'm not sure what you mean about plugging it at a slightly wrong angle, I haven't experienced that (in ~25 years of using Australia plugs).

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by aembleton12 days ago

If the earth pin is not optional, how do you plug something in if it isn't present? Do you have special sockets for devices that are double insulated?

by robocat12 days ago

Two issues I have seen with the AU/NZ standards:

1. When they introduced the plastic sleeve on phase and neutral pins, it severely weakened the pins of the plug and they can rip off inside the socket. Very very unsafe.

2. The standards are very weak on cheap four way plugboards - the sockets fail over time and have a variety of failure modes, especially fire risk. Buy quality plugboards (although hard to judge as a consumer).

by pmlnr12 days ago

European in the UK: I broke the pins of several europlug ones by accidentally bumping them. Thankfully they didn't break into the socket. I'll take the german or the uk ones only; europlug is just too weak.

by gumby11 days ago

The reason for the UK approach (which includes a fuse in the plug and a switch on the socket) is the point-to-point system used after wwii to rapidly electrify the country while money and resources (like copper) were short. It’s complete overkill today but path dependence keeps it in place.

by aetherspawn12 days ago

> BS 4573. British, but de facto international, socket for shavers only, rated at 115-230 Volt - 0.2 Amp. Shaver sockets accept the following not earthed plugs: British BS 4573, Europlugs (CEE 7/16), straight blade NEMA 1-15P and Australian type not earthed flat blade plugs.

Amazing. There's a wall socket that accepts any plug, "for shavers only". They know the pain.

by Taniwha12 days ago

The "shavers only" socket seems to be available world wide - my favorite is the Chinese universal (I'm the proud owner of such a power strip I use when travelling)

I'm talking about #12 here https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/China1.html

by marcodiego12 days ago

I like the Brazilian standard: https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/IEC60906-1.html :

  - It has a ground pin and
  - it is very safe: when the contact is established all conducting parts are already hidden, untouchable by operator's hands.
But it has one flaw: you can't change the orientation of the male plug. This sometimes leads to awkward positions of devices or female plugs that get inaccessible because it is covered by another device.

A simple solution could be: the female plug could have 2 ground holes, this way the male plug would be able to connect in two different orientations. Anyone knows of a plug that has this feature?

by Filligree12 days ago

> But it has one flaw: you can't change the orientation of the male plug. This sometimes leads to awkward positions of devices or female plugs that get inaccessible because it is covered by another device.

I can only speak for the UK system, but that's a feature. While most AC devices will work fine with the polarity reversed, the wires are polar; it's common in many AC systems to have a 'neutral' line that's actually tied to ground at the distribution panel.

This is a safety feature. The circuit design of your devices can't depend on it, because e.g. the EU plugs are symmetrical, but many of them will absolutely be safer to use if the neutral line is neutral.

by jacquesm12 days ago

> but many of them will absolutely be safer to use if the neutral line is neutral.

I'm not aware of any EU device that binds the live or neutral wires in a preferential way that would make the device safer in a particular plug orientation. You are likely violating electrical standards and/or certification if that is the case.

Keep in mind that once upon a time European networks were standardized, and that before then we had many different sets of voltages, such as 110 and dual 110 giving 220V (much like the US single phase system today for higher power consumers).

Your typical setup will contain a ground, a neutral and a live all fed through ground fault protected circuits from the distribution panel, with a string of sockets/hardwired consumers hanging off the same circuit. Each of the sockets in a new installation will export ground, in older electrical installations it is common to just have live and neutral, but the hookup is arbitrary.

So if there is a consumer that is safer with neutral hooked up to a particular pin and live to the other then that consumer is likely not compliant with the electrical code/CE certification. It is common to indicate where to hook up L/N on hardwired consumers but for safety there is no preference.

by jimktrains212 days ago

As a non-electrican, i thought we moved to polarized plugs in the us because it's safer to have switches on the live wire and not neutral so that the system isn't "live" when the power is off.

by jacquesm12 days ago

That would be a false sense of safety. You simply should use a double pole switch if that is a valid concern, and if you are working on a device you shouldn't switch it off but unplug it, and if it is hardwired trip the breaker for that circuit and lock it out.

by jacquesm12 days ago

To expand a bit on that: 230/240V is commonly two legs of a 'delta' wired transformer, there is no 'neutral' in that case, you only have that when you have a transformer in 'star' configuration.

by marcodiego12 days ago

Found it: https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Italian1.html Italians did it right. But I still think a female connector with 2 holes is better: it may better hold the weight of the device.

by jve12 days ago

> Anyone knows of a plug that has this feature?

Used in Europe: https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Schuko1.html

by snt12 days ago

Australian plugs are the best I've used for the following reasons (amongst others, mostly mentioned in TFA): two and three-pin (earthed) use the same socket; irreversible (even the 2-pin plug is polarized); the flat pins allow a larger plug/socket contact area for current; small size; partially insulated power-pins stop shorts if stray conductors fall on partially-plugged in plugs. (I'm not Australian and don't live there.)

by XorNot12 days ago

The sockets also go up to 32 amps while being seamlessly backwards compatible with lower amperages (via keying the ground prong). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112

by jamil712 days ago

Yeah I miss them. When we visited home last, my girlfriend (German) was amazed that we have a switch on them to turn each plug off and on rather than having to completely yank it out of the wall like with the Euro ones.

by p1mrx12 days ago

I think Schuko is my favorite. It's (somewhat) compact, shields the live prongs, and feels solid. For a while I was running my computer/monitor from a fused German surge protector wired to a US 240V outlet.

by Freak_NL12 days ago

If you grew up with Schuko, anything smaller just feels flimsy. The plugs used in Japan (the US type) to me felt like they live in a world where everything is scaled down to ⅗ of normality (which, in Japan, is somewhat apt).

Changing these standards is pretty much impossible by now, although some smaller plug variant holdouts might move to Schuko at some point. Oddly enough, South Korea got Schuko, which makes for a really interesting exception in that region.

by hyakosm12 days ago

I grew up with french plugs (compatible with schuko) and I’m very careful when I’m using US plugs and outlets. The fact that a plugged appliance can have visible metal prongs is terrifying.

by hadrien0112 days ago

In my new (French) apartment, I'm going to change all French plugs into Schuko plugs. They're fully compatible with all appliances (because of the CEE 7 Schuko plus French standard), but the simple fact that you can put the connector in any way is simply great (just as USB-C was life-changing on mobile devices)

by remix200012 days ago

Compared to the French standard, Schutzkontakt lacks polarization (bruh), fails to accept cheap ungrounded Chinese plugs lacking the cutouts (it’s also harder to incise those properly for Schuko, unlike the French ones where you just punch a hole straight through) and is subjectively flimsier in general.

by p1mrx12 days ago

The lack of polarization makes it safer to use Schuko with a NEMA 6-15 plug, which has hot-hot-ground instead of hot-neutral-ground.

If the receptacle had a well defined neutral, then devices might expect it to be neutral.

by wpietri12 days ago

On the one hand, this site is a very cool look at something I genuinely enjoy studying.

On the other hand, it makes me despair a bit for the future of technology. Such simple tech! So many basically equivalent solutions! And we'll be stuck with this chaos for how long?

The only prospect I see for unification would be USB-C, which is going from 100W to 240W max, and maybe isn't done growing. But given the delicacy of USB-C connections, that's probably even worse. "Honey, is the TV broken?" "No, the USB-C wall plug just fell out again."

by ziml7712 days ago

Oh man I really wish they held tighter. The USB-C cable that I charge most of my devices with is constantly popping out of the power brick. It’s an Apple brick and a Belkin cable, so certainly not the cheapest stuff.

I am considering epoxying the damned thing in!

by wpietri11 days ago

For strain relief you can use zip ties!

I did this mainly so the kids would stop boosting the cables and charger. But it has also kept the cables from falling out for months:

https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/1407739561153732608

by _djo_12 days ago

It's a little out of date, South Africa has mandated IEC 60906-1 (SANS 164-2) on all new installations for some time now, replacing the huge old BS 546 (SANS 164-1) socket.

Incidentally, IEC 60906-1 was designed to be a new global plug standard but almost no countries want to go through the trouble of changing their own standards to adopt it. The Brazilian implementation is also not 100% compatible any more.

by kozak12 days ago

IEC 60906-1 is great, obviously the best of them all (considering all the legacy). I see that India uses a similar standard as the old South Africa plug. Why doesn't India do the same and migrate to IEC 60906-1? If I were Indian, I'd start campaigning for that.

by dylan60412 days ago

I must say that the Type K 107-2-D1 from Denmark looks like quite the happy little plug. The Type I from Australia looks a bit surprised while the Type F from Germany looks quit robotic. For some reason, the Type A/B from N.America seems to be standing on its head.

by paganel12 days ago

> from Denmark looks like quite the happy little plug

Your comment reminded me that as a kid (3-4 years old and even a little older) I used to, in a sort, anthropomorphise a power plug which I used to find very nice-looking and of course that I would play with it. It was driving my dad crazy, for good reasons (I actually did manage to get electrocuted at 3 years old while playing with another plug), but somehow I survived. All this to say, not so tongue in cheek (or only partly), that we should maybe strive to make angry and ugly plugs as much as possible.

by BBC-vs-neolibs12 days ago

Or neutral and boring looking, or you would just attract another sub-set of kids playing with the angry plugs.

by goodcanadian12 days ago

For some reason, the Type A/B from N.America seems to be standing on its head.

The convention, now, seems to be to put the ground pin on top. I am not entirely sure when that became the convention, however, as it seemed to be the other way around when I was a child (with the ground pin on the bottom). I think I was a teenager when I started seeing the sockets installed "upside down."

by rascul12 days ago

The plugs don't come out of the socket as easily on their own when upside down. There are other reasons, but having had way too many plugs come out on their own, this is the biggest one I notice.

by ucosty12 days ago

I've heard it's a safety thing, in some contexts, as the grounding pin is in the way if something gets dropped onto the plug.

by dylan60412 days ago

Is it realy a convention? I see it so rarely that to me it's more like a situation where someone did it "wrong", and then someone new learned from it snowballing into a thing.

Also, wall warts are also required to have all of their weight above the plug in the ground on top orientation. That's never worked well for me.

by goodcanadian12 days ago

From a sample of five random wall warts in my drawer, none of them are polarised, so they can be plugged in either orientation. YMMV.

EDIT:

Is it realy a convention?

I was told so, but after googling, I am beginning to doubt it. It may have been a short lived thing.

+1
by dylan60412 days ago

What's a polarized plug got to do with it? All of the weight of the wall wart is above the plug vs hanging. I've had more issues in this orientation of the plug pulling out of the socket than when it is hanging from the plug. Even when the ground pin is on the bottom, if I put 2 wall warts on the same plug, one of them must be inverted to have both fit. The one upside down always has issues.

by frosted-flakes12 days ago

Where are you? In Canada, I've never seen outlets installed ground-up.

by goodcanadian12 days ago

In Canada, I've frequently seen outlets installed ground up: usually in newer buildings and more often in commercial buildings than residences. I have been told that ground up is the "correct" way, but I am not trained as an electrician.

EDIT: Upon googling, I can find lots of conflicting opinions, but it appears that the electrical code has nothing to say about it. They can be installed in any orientation: ground up, down, or sideways.

by dylan60412 days ago

I've seen some houses where some outlets were controlled via switch. Those plugs were installed upside down to indicate switched control while all other plugs in the house were installed in the ground down orientation.

by silvestrov12 days ago

The Danish hospital plug looks like somebody who is sick: https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Danish2.html

by DeathArrow12 days ago

We managed to standardize lightbulbs but we didn't manage to standardize sockets or mains voltage. It seems weird.

by robin_reala12 days ago

Lightbulbs are standardised? Say hello to B22 bayonet mount, used in the UK and large parts of the commonwealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet_mount#Light_bulbs

by Bayart12 days ago

God I hate those things. It used to be the standard in France, now we've moved to the screw type. Still, plenty of old sockets used that system. I'm always terrified on putting too much pressure and pop a light bulb in my hand.

by stordoff12 days ago

They're not even standardised within the UK, as a lot of newer installations seem to use Edison screws (both B27 and E14). I've encountered many houses that use a mix of ES and bayonet fittings (and GU10s) or exclusively use ES.

by OJFord12 days ago

Newer use B27 sure, (only come across E14 in extractor hoods personally) but new today (and ~last 20 years?) tend to be GU10.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

GU10's are commonly used in LED retrofits. There are also those recessed ceiling light modules you can buy. They're similar in size to your GU10 bracket but much bulkier, and the whole thing needs to be replaced when the light goes out. On the other hand, I hear they are much more reliable (due to better heat dissipation, presumably).

by citrin_ru12 days ago

A British home often has a mix of different lamp sockets which include B22. But this is something a homeowner can replace, unlike wall socket where you bound by devices sold in the country.

by 795212 days ago

Originally houses were only wired for light and people would plug their appliances into the light socket.

by isthisnametaken12 days ago

Indeed. I used to have some old bayonet fitting plugs from my grandparents' house.

One was even in its original box, which showed an illustration of woman ironing using an electric iron powered by a cable hanging from the light fitting.

by teddyh12 days ago

Electricity used to be priced differently for lights versus other uses (lights were much cheaper), so these product were essentially DRM-bypassing tools.

by tialaramex12 days ago

In what era are you claiming this?

The UK does have "Economy 7" tariffs which are a much simplified off-peak discount intended primarily for storage heating. The idea is, we provide a meter which knows what time it is, for 7 hours each night (when generally power usage is lower) you are charged less per kWh than the other 21 hours per day.

If you keep a Tokyo schedule but live in Yorkshire then this might work for you, but the primary use case was electric storage heating, during the night cheap electricity heats some bricks in a box, during the day you let the heat out of the box to keep your home warm, next night the bricks are re-heated. It's annoying because weather is hard to predict, if you wake up to an unexpected blizzard, too bad, you will freeze or need to use an "immediate" heating source that's very expensive, alternatively if you predict the blizzard but wake to find it's sunny and mild, now your home is 25°C and you feel like an idiot.

I'm not aware of it ever being the case that some household circuits were charged differently in order to make lighting cheaper and it seems unlikely this would be effective. Electric lighting was a huge winner because it's both more convenient and cheaper to use than gas (or worse oil) lamps so an incentive seems unnecessary.

by stephen_g12 days ago

At least we did end up standardising many things on IEC C8 (figure-8 socket on all sorts of low-amperage, non grounded devices) and IEC C14 socket (on computers, servers, etc.) and quite a lot of equipment is tolerant of either 110V/60Hz and 230V/50Hz systems.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

It is quite strange how you could quite easily plug a 120V light bulb into a 240V socket (or vice versa). I feel like there should be more protection around that.

by dustintrex12 days ago

Check out the twist-to-lock sockets in Japan! Super common there, but I've never seen these in the US, even though the plug is basically identical.

https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Japan1.html

by quickthrowman12 days ago

Twist lock receptacles exist in the US, I mostly see them used for server racks.

NEMA L6-30R is a locking 208/240v 30 amp receptacle. L means locking, the 6 means two hots and a ground at 208v or 240v, (240v for 240v split phase and 208v for 208v 3p wye) 30 is amp max amps, R means receptacle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector

by merlyn12 days ago

That is the most common in datacenters, but there are other configurations. 3-phase power is becoming common. Some others.

Twistlocks are also used a lot in Theater lighting, and movie/tv production.

Also, some generators.

But yes, in general, not so common for residential, and only certain commercial tasks.

by ricardobeat12 days ago

The pictures for plugs from Brazil are not accurate. The majority of the 10A, 4mm plugs have sleeved outer contacts, just like the IEC standard pictured from South Africa. In conjunction with the recessed outlet, it makes it impossible to touch a live contact.

by hereforphone12 days ago

Great site design, great topic. 10/10

by kortex12 days ago

Oh good, they depict the NEMA family in the correct orientation. >95% of installations depict the "face orientation", which is partially responsible for USA outlet's bad rap.

Cons:

- plugs are more likely to fall out or come loose

- flat things can fall on the blades

Pros:

- it looks like a face! D=

Orienting the ground pin up helps keep the plug secured (think about the moment of rotation of the plug) and if it does come loose, the ground pin prevents something from falling and bridging the hot pins.

NEMA-5-15 gets a bad rap for being "loose" for a few reasons:

- the incorrect orientation (see above)

- the abysmal 1-15 outlet (no ground, even less retention, especially with wall warts)

- travelers staying in hotels with wallowed out receptacles that see daily use and need replacing. It doesn't help that they use the cheap ones with low spring force to begin with

Those infernal bedside lamp outlets are the trifecta of terrible: every hotel seems to have them, they are all cheap 1-15s that were loose when new and only deteriorated over time.

Properly installed NEMA-5-15R outlets of middling-to-good-quality never fall out on their own and feel very secure, even years later.

There's one feature I wish the NEMA non-locking series had: partially insulated contacts. Even just a few mm would help.

by rightbyte12 days ago

Interesting. Do you know if the danish plug is supposed the be ground pin up or cutie face orientation?

by kortex12 days ago

Dunno, but those are adorable! I think it is less of an issue because it is recessed.

by nofunsir12 days ago

"no cookies"

What a breath of fresh air!

by thaeli12 days ago

Has Google Analytics on it though, so..

by yuchi12 days ago

That (GA and no cookie banner) and the fact that doesn’t use a mailto link in order to avoid email harvesting means it was built in a different time and just maintained for survival

by sandermvanvliet12 days ago

The very Web 1.0 style is indeed very refreshing

by jsmith9912 days ago

Nice to see an image map in the wild again.

by perilunar11 days ago

The thing I hate about almost all plugs and sockets is that you almost always have to check the orientation before you can plug something in. Sometimes you can do it by feel, but generally you have to look. USB-A is the worst because half the time you get it wrong despite looking.

Cylindrical plugs (phono, barrel/coxial, BNC, Edison screw, banana, etc.) are great because orientation doesn't matter. Also, the 'click' you get from phono or BNC connectors is satisfying. RCA connectors mess up despite being cylindrical because they generally come in twos or threes, so you still have to check which goes where, which defeats the purpose of a round plug.

by codecutter12 days ago

This is an unusual topic for a museum. I found it rather interesting. Thanks for all your effort.

by johnwalkr12 days ago

Tip: ask for a plug adapter in a decent European hotel, and you have a good chance to be given a nice one.

I live in a place with US style plugs, and I like to travel light. So in my suitcase I keep just one US-EU adapter, and employ the pen lid trick [1] to use it in UK style outlets. US, EU and UK style outlets cover basically 100% of my travel destinations. I can't recommend this trick, but it does work and saves me from carrying a bulky UK adapter.

[1] https://www.spgedwards.com/2012/07/howto-hack-uk-power-socke...

by bichiliad12 days ago

I'm on vacation in France and I've been really surprised to see that the ground connections in wall sockets is a pin (rather than a port). I couldn't believe that this site was on HN, and of course there's a whole page on exactly this design. Sadly, the answer seems to be "we have no idea why it's like that, even though we've tried to find out."

https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/EarthPin-sockets.html

by stinos12 days ago

Just guessing I'd think it has to do with the idea that "after all it's ground" so must be safe safe to touch and might even makes sense to do so (like discharging yuorself before touching small electronics in case you're not wired to ground with a strap).

by londons_explore12 days ago

The variety here with no clear benefits/market niche for each shows how wasteful we humans are with our innovation efforts.

I'm sure many human-lifetimes went into developing and deploying every type of plug and socket there. Could those human lifetimes have been better spent inventing something actually new rather than something pretty much the same as a neighbour was also inventing?

by marcodiego12 days ago

The front page says: "no cookies no password required". Bookmarked!

by hawski12 days ago

Off topic: I wonder what kind of a projection is used for the map of Europe. It seems to be very badly wrapped.

by LegitShady12 days ago

I feel like this will be an interesting side quest in a future fallout game.

by pxeger112 days ago

Only the kind of person to use HackerNews would be interested in a museum of plugs and sockets... hahahaha

by Kaibeezy12 days ago

Betting you'll really get a chuckle out of http://www.horg.com/horg/

by kortex12 days ago

That was delightful! I never knew there was so much variety in Occlupanids. Someone should extend that system to plugs and sockets.