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Tell HN: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone

I have been really thankful for hackernews. This place has been full of great knowledge and people.

I really appreciate the efforts of the people who are running this platform.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

1098 points257 comments12 days ago
by yrral12 days ago

I've been a HN member for 11 years and 11 months to this exact day (I joined Christmas 2009).

Since then, I've lived in 6 different cities, 5 different timezones and worked on countless side projects. But all this time, HN has always been my most visited month after month.

I can always count on this place to keep me up to date with the latest tech trends and read discussions between reasonable people. Thank you all and especially dang for keeping discussions high quality. Especially as the quality of content on the rest of the internet deteriorates in the pursuit of virility.

It's a testament to you all that place feels the same as it did 10+ years ago.

by kilroy12312 days ago

Same here! My account is about the same age, and I've lived abroad all over the world.

Hackernews always helped me feel grounded and connected to the tech world and community at large.

by mbroncano11 days ago

Same for me, most probably this account is about 10 years old or so, but I’ve been lurking for even longer.

by spurgu10 days ago

Almost 9 years 9 months here, 5 cities, 4 countries, 3 timezones. :)

by josh260012 days ago

Hackernews is simultaneously the most cantankerous and, imho, highest quality response on average public forum on the net. I absolutely love it here and sincerely appreciate this place. I feel like I’ve grown up on this site in so many ways.

I am continually humbled by not just the consistent quality of content but also the comments. It’s a testament to the moderators that this site has maintained this level of quality for so long.

I am thankful and happy to use thanksgiving as an excuse to express that notion.

by silisili12 days ago

It's definitely one of the only places on the internet where you can ask a question or insult something, and have either the creator or most renown SME pop out of nowhere to explain everything. Never seen anything quite like it in any other field of interest I have.

by underdeserver12 days ago

SME = subject matter expert?

Please spell out your abbreviations for those of us who are not familiar :)

by phist_mcgee12 days ago

They're talking about the most renowned execs at Sony Music Entertainment obviously..

by coddle-hark12 days ago

Exec at Sony Music Entertainment here. You are correct.

+1
by 1cvmask12 days ago
by acoard12 days ago

Worse, at least in the government circles I work in, people pronounce "SME" as "smee." Almost like you're saying the first syllable of Smeagol. Good luck googling that.

by krisrm12 days ago

You are not alone in this... The first time I heard "smee", I thought my ears had gone.

by valvar12 days ago

This is why one should watch our for TLAs ;)

+1
by exdsq12 days ago

Temporal logic of actions?

by silisili12 days ago

Everyone else seems having fun with it, but yes - subject matter expert.

by beezischillin12 days ago

This is the only platform I frequent where I read more than I comment and I learn a lot from people, too. I always come here to find interesting takes on things and I'm very rarely disappointed. A lot of times I delete my comments instead of posting because I worry ot might not be a good enough contribution and that I might sound dumb. That's very humbling.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by prohobo12 days ago

Hackernews works. I respect the mods and appreciate their work keeping everything running. We're living in increasingly volatile times, and while a lot of us are stubborn and hard of hearing - myself included - and people like Jonathan Blow like to hate on that, I still think this forum is a bastion for real discussion and understanding on all kinds of topics.

by imran012 days ago

It's bizarre how many times I've come across someone just randomly hating on Jon Blow. I don't know what this guy does to attract such attention considering his relatively niche space of work.

by prohobo12 days ago

I'm not hating on him, I like him almost as much as John Carmack. I think he brings criticism on himself though because he's very negative on some topics, obviously not making friends. While he's doing his niche work he's shooting off strong opinions all the time.

by imran012 days ago

Well, even if you're not in the industry it's still difficult not to have strong opinions on some fields of software developments; especially the shitshow that is the web.

That said, very few programmers today recognize or admit the atrocious quality of modern software. I think That's why people like Jonathan Blow or Casey Muratori are disliked by developers who see themselves as champions of "modern" software development.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

by someuname12 days ago

If you go against the status quo you get flagged. It's just as shit as any other forum.

by dang12 days ago

If you post like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29342840 you certainly do! Do you really think you shouldn't?

by omot12 days ago

Moderating even on Thanksgiving Day!

by codetrotter12 days ago

HN is a great place to learn new things. And new words! This is the first time I’ve ever heard the word “cantankerous” :)

by psalminen12 days ago

Agreed. I can think of a few words off hand I learned here. Rejoinder has probably been my favorite.

by didericis12 days ago

Can often learn the most words from the magniloquence of cantankerous rejoinders.

I’m actually just as thankful for all the words I don’t have to learn here. This is often the first place I go to when I want to look for a distilled, “real” take on something by people capable of communicating with a lot of jargon but generally choose to speak simply and succinctly.

by xbar11 days ago

This resonates for me.

by jonplackett12 days ago

My proudest work-achievement of the year was getting to #1 spot of my favourite website with termsandconditions.game

I love HN. Happy thanksgiving!

by ravenstine12 days ago

Even the worst comments on HN are far better than the worst comments on Reddit or Twitter.

by leemailll12 days ago

HN is quite enjoyable to read, the only exception I observed is any topic political or someway a topic is diverted into that trench.

by macrowhat12 days ago

Don't worry I take care of that

by skeeter202012 days ago

>> Hackernews is simultaneously the most cantankerous and, imho, highest quality response

In other words, exactly what the internet was and (for people like me) hoped it would continue to be. I don't think it's entirely the moderation (though that certainly helps) but somehow the conceptual integrity has been maintained and has a powerful shaping force.

I never completely agree with the content and opinions, but we all seem really well aligned with the rules of the game.

by gigatexal12 days ago

Yup, you all on the whole teach me a ton and keep me honest. You call me out on my shit and also submit really cool things. Here's to more.

by hellbannedguy12 days ago

I agree on everything, but the moderation. Personally, I have seen very few times where their assistance is even needed.

I have seen them squash interesting debates.

I had one guy email me, and tell me at home to stop commenting so much. (Never forgot that one, and there are no TOS. I will probally pay for those last two sentences? Then again if HN is what it claims, maybe not?)

What makes this place special is there are a wide range of people here interested in many subjects. What I love most is cutting through the bull. I doubt there's a person here who doesn't know about The Scientific Method, or The Placebo Effect.

We don't automatically give credit to the wealthy boys unless they did something really spectacular in their lives, and we want to know exactly how much help the wealthy family had in the success. We don't let them pontificate ad nausium because they made money. We scrutinize and investigate everyone, and every idea. From the best in class PhDs to lost disenfranchised souls. Everyone has a chance to make their point.

Hacker News is by far the best site for technical discussion.

(I do spend too much time here. It's my fault though. I don't have much of a life, and I am lonely. I am looking for new sites besides Reddit. Reddit would be so much better if everyone wasen't trying out for a SNL contract.)

by newbamboo12 days ago

Didn’t really read you post but this jumped out at me, “Hacker News is by far the best site for technical discussion.”

Indubitably true.

Frankly, even if I’m forever shadowbanned, I can’t think of a better place on the net. It reminds me of the old net, the best parts. The current fashion and culture change a bit over the years but not too much. It’s hard to not mess up a good thing but they do well to do that here, even if there’s a strong pro-CCP bias evident at times in some of the moderation.

by mlac11 days ago

You’re not shadowbanned yet. Unless we both are together…

by xupybd11 days ago

If you're lonely I can't be any more emphatic when I recommend real life groups.

Tech meet ups, gym classes, insert interest here groups and anything else you can think of.

Online connections just don't fully satisfy the human need for connecting.

by rnoorda12 days ago

I was recently in a meeting with a colleague about some recent craziness that just finished. A lot of hard work, not fun, but ended up just fine. Then a few minutes later, I find out her daughter is in the hospital, so she's been back-and-forth there a lot, and her life is exponentially more crazy than my own. I felt terrible for complaining about my dumb issues. Work's hard sometimes, but it's so small in comparison.

The upside of the conversation is that I've felt extra thankful this year- I have friends/family/coworkers going through sickness, abuse, divorce, coming out of the closet, and more, and it puts my concerns in perspective. My life is far from perfect, but I'm grateful for what I do have.

I know very little about any of you personally, but I hope you continue to share your knowledge, wisdom, dumb anecdotes, and opinions both great and terrible.

by tickerticker11 days ago

Meta cognition right der

by andrew_12 days ago

Citizen of the Earth, member of the Cherokee Nation - let us not forget the spirit of the day. Everyone viewing this post has something to be thankful for. Be humble, be kind. Happy Thanksgiving.

by theonething12 days ago

> be kind

Likewise to you.

by eric4smith12 days ago

As an Immigrant to the USA, I did not get the whole thanksgiving thing. But then as I had a kid there, I warmed up to it.

Then now I've been living abroad for almost 10 years without returning home to the USA and if I did not see this post I would not even have remembered.

It's strange how we can so quickly adjust to holidays from different countries in just a few years -- while forgetting the ones back home so easily. And it's not because we were ingrained with them as kids, because while I grew up in Jamaica, I've totally forgotten the holidays there now.

I guess the main one is Christmas - it's hard to forget because of all the shopping - and that's kinda celebrated here in Asia too.

Anyway... Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!

by busymom012 days ago

In the same boat myself. I immigrated from india to Canada many years ago and since then, Christmas is the only one I can actually remember and usually celebrate. The other traditional ones like Diwali, Durga Puja, Holi, Eid etc are all forgotten to me unless my family reminds me of it.

by bufordtwain12 days ago

UK immigrant to the USA here. I heard about and celebrated Diwali for the first time this year (by going out for Indian food). I'm up for any and all holidays. Especially ones that involve food and no other commitments :) Happy Thanksgiving to all!

by kingcharles11 days ago

Hello fellow expat. The American holiday that amuses me is July 4th as that is basically "Fuck The British" day.

by A4ET8a8uTh012 days ago

I can relate as I am an immigrant as well. I do not know if it is me getting older or the fact this year was especially eventful ( new title, first baby ), but, despite all the stuff going on in the world today, I feel especially thankful.

It is funny, because only few years ago I was more cynical about it and reduced all holidays to the 'feast' part.

by thepasswordis12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving, HN! Hoping for a safe and happy weekend for everyone, and praying for anybody daring to brave an airport! Good luck, and reminder: take as much leftovers home as you possibly can. Stuffing a Hawaiian roll full of cold turkey and cranberry sauce and eating it over the sink is a godly act.

For those of you who have to work to keep this giant machine running, just be aware: legally you are allowed to have one drink at your desk at all times during the holiday weekend. I don't make the rules.

by gwill12 days ago

"Stuffing a Hawaiian roll full of cold turkey and cranberry sauce and eating it over the sink is a godly act."

what i would pay for that experience while walking home after a night out.

by unkulunkulu12 days ago

I’m from another culture and this is a FIRST thanksgiving for me :)

This place has been not only enjoyable and absolutely blowing away for me because of all the great people who participated in key events for our industry and provided first hand perspective on something I only remotely heard of before.

But the warm inclusive accepting and encouraging atmosphere here is totally something else on the internets nowadays, thank every single one of you for that.

And a cherry on top, one of the book recommendations here changed my life in ways I could not have imagined, so you’re all very special for me, hope to be a part of this big and warm community for the years to come, thank you for your precious time and attention!

by shill12 days ago

Do you mind sharing the name of the book?

by unkulunkulu12 days ago

It’s Keith Johnston Improv. It really helped me to become friends with my subconscious, imagination, destroy some assumptions about myself, reframe my view of children, of course laid a stone into my decision to have a child (like this year as opposed to “eventually” or some day as I started interacting with children after reading the book), showed me a cool hobby and a new way to express myself as an event organizer. I have like 240 highlights and notes in it, more than in any other book by far, it was really a book written just for me at that point in life, you know? It also has a bit of a twist towards the end. Highly recommend! I’m 33 if this provides some context I dunno :)

by unkulunkulu3 days ago

Oh there’s also a TED talk by the man, you can totally see he is something else by watching it and comparing to other TED talks. Makes more sense of you read the book though.

by aydwi12 days ago

Speaking of books discovered on HN, this website is an excellent, distilled resource: https://hackernewsbooks.com/

by 1cvmask12 days ago

The number one book this week is:

How to Destroy a Tech Startup in 3 Easy Steps

by neoncontrails12 days ago

Gosh, this was beautiful to read as an incidentally American person.

There's something truly healing in giving thanks, in calling attention to the countless small acts of kindness without which we wouldn't be where we are today. The holiday itself is so freighted with the weight of our history, but the premise seems good. It actually seems to me more humanist, less materialistic and less secular, than any other holiday on the Western calendar.

by unkulunkulu12 days ago

For sure, gratitude is healing both ways, holidays like this must really have a wide positive effect on communities and wellbeing of people. We need more of those :) Goingaroundstreetsandscreamingiloveyouateachotherday anyone? :))

by wiether12 days ago

I'll also be thankful for the book's name

by unkulunkulu12 days ago

Replied to the first post with details, Keith Johnston Improv

by wiether11 days ago

Thx

by mynegation12 days ago

Thank you Dan Gackle for making this site my happy place, the only place on the internet that I read every day.

Thank you all for posting and upvoting the interesting stories. Thank you for replying to my comments. Thank you for upvoting them. Thank you for downvoting them, too. I come here to learn and be amazed at knowledge, creativity, and kindness.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

Dang is a bloody excellent moderator. I personally love his more talkative and eloquent tone, instead of the "can you stop", "just follow the rules or fuck off" attitude other moderators seem to have. He's a bit of a role model to me, so I do tend to try and watch how he moderates and blend it into my own style.

by TravHatesMe12 days ago

Didn't know his name, I was saying dang as in dangit in my head for year. Need to fix that to Dan-G.

by acoard12 days ago

For what it's worth, I still mentally pronounce it as "dang" (i.e. part of dang-it). I know it's not his name, but it's so perfect, I thought it had to be intentional, like a little joke.

by dang12 days ago
by randycupertino12 days ago

Ha! I literally just commented almost exactly the same thing below to another post. I'm glad there's a few of us who appreciate his benevolence.

by hackitup712 days ago

Dang is the traffic cop + mom + cool older cousin + prison warden that HN needs, and I think that's what's allowed this place to stay so great.

by christophilus12 days ago

dang does a dang good job. He’s corrected me a few times for posting unhelpful, snarky, or dismissive comments. His care and vigilance really makes this the best forum on the web that I’m aware of.

by rsj_hn12 days ago

dang good egg, confirmed.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by randycupertino12 days ago

I always like how even when people are so cranky and rude to him because they're complaining about whatever they disagree with, he's always so respectful and thoughtful back. It's rather amusing to see a mod rule via benevolent kindness instead of like a petty HOA president :P

by benjaminwootton12 days ago

I always assumed dang was an Asian name. Didn't realise it was a Dan G :-)

by cghendrix12 days ago

Same!

by newbamboo12 days ago

Knowing his name is Gackle I still suspect he is of Asian descent. Because Asians are cool. They have western names if they are mixed. Nothing at all wrong with that.

by missedthecue12 days ago

As someone who has been rapped across the proverbial knuckles by dang for making unnecessarily combative or snarky comments, I too want to thank him for making this a great place.

by rwbhn12 days ago

Hear, hear!

Happy Thanksgiving, all. Hope you are able to spend time with family and friends.

by ericd12 days ago

Definitely, thanks dang!

by newbie78912 days ago

I’ll upvote that. Being a mod is a difficult and nearly completely thankless (but utterly necessary) job, he’s got a good attitude and consistent enforcement of the rules. Cheers dang!

by hereforphone12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving. Please remember that regardless of the "difficulties" the western world is facing now, you have it better than almost everyone on the planet. I've been to some of the poorest countries on earth in war and peace. Never take anything for granted. Please be safe, and be thankful.

by relwin12 days ago

My Thanksgiving Bullet Enumerated List:

1) I'm thankful my elderly parents and in-laws are healthy and survived the worst of the pandemic.

2) I'm thankful new relatives are healthy and thriving (who doesn't adore babies?)

3) I'm thankful my immediate family is OK. Zoom-schooling and masking is not ideal but we adjusted and adapted.

4) I'm in awe of the medical professionals who withstood the brunt of the pandemic and continue to provide for our well-being.

5) And the technologists that support the medical professionals -- the those who build the tools, design the scientific instruments, operate the equipment, push the tech to incrementally do more -- all this seems like magic but is comprised of late night debugging, inspired insight, that blood-sweat-beers workpersonship that keeps society chugging along.

by nickpp12 days ago

I am not American, but I give thanks today that USA exists. Because, for all its failings, it still is such an inspiration for how things can be great in the world and how a dream for a future in which we are so much more than we are today - can exist.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by kaladin_112 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.

I am grateful for this platform, the moderators and all contributors.

Thank you Dan.

I remember when I was new here. I was impressed and equally challenged by the achievements of people here. One of my first questions was how I could get a good remote job. Dan replied and informed me about the Whoishiring account. He sounded very positive and even wished me good luck. I felt so motivated and eventually used it to secure a remote work that I really like.

by dang12 days ago

Yay! I love it when HN has positive effects on people's real lives. It did that for me too, long before I became a moderator here. Thank you, PG.

by protomyth12 days ago

For those that are alone, remember the world is full of serendipity and the desolate years can change.

For those in groups, be thankful for those you break bread with and the paths that led them to your table.

by tentacleuno12 days ago

Some people are both at the same time. You can be in a social group yet feel bitterly alone at the same time. That's essentially what I used to feel like.

by Shared40412 days ago

That's a hard place to be in, for those in that situation, know that at least one internet stranger cares enough to chat for a bit - emails in my bio.

Can't promise to respond instantly, but will respond before I go to bed tonight.

by exdsq12 days ago

First thanksgiving in the US. My wife and I have stocked up on some of the worst looking pre-made things from Safeway to easily make tomorrow so neither of us have to cook. Excited to have a long weekend :) Enjoy yours too!

by elguyosupremo12 days ago

The most important part of Thanksgiving is spending time with the people you care about, the food is all secondary; it sounds like you're doing things right.

That being said, in the future I recommend seeking out the best pies that you can, my personal favorites are blueberry and apple.

Welcome to America and happy Thanksgiving!

by sbuccini12 days ago

Thinking about all the folks on call for the Black Friday/Cyber Monday crush. They were some of my favorite days working in e-commerce but, then again, everything always went smoothly during my tenure. Thanks for holding down the fort for the rest of us!

by enahs-sf12 days ago

Was up at 1:30am fixing that blocker in production last night. Never a dull moment!

by exikyut12 days ago

Aw, what was it? (Roughly)

by enahs-sf12 days ago

Bug in the Black Friday promo code logic that made the deal unavailable. No bueno.

by kwertyoowiyop12 days ago

Thanks to you, and everyone who is on call today!

by throwanem12 days ago

I've been in that trench too. I'm thankful to be out of it, and able to enjoy the festivities without always having an ear out for that PagerDuty ringtone.

(EAS tones, I always used, the SAME FSK chirps followed by the attention tone. Wake the dead, that will. If you never want to miss a page again - and never want anyone in earshot to doubt it's important, besides - give it a try! Bonus side effect: you'll immediately be in the correct frame of mind if the real balloon ever goes up.)

by exikyut12 days ago

853 + 960Hz? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbegB49B1TY

(If you do check, maybe turn it down to be nice to your nerves :D)

by throwanem12 days ago

Oh, I don't need to check, I looked it up ages ago while I was implementing my SAME encoder. It's definitely that frequency pair, and they're deliberately chosen to be exactly as unpleasant when mixed as they are.

+1
by exikyut11 days ago

Ah, https://github.com/aaron-em/same-encoder :P

Wow, SAME is very interesting. (I live in Australia and have never been exposed to a comparable system. I think the closest we have is an SMS-based thing.)

by omot12 days ago

Thanks dang! Hopefully they'll give you a promotion soon, maybe some equity in YC companies! Maybe you'll even let us implement dark mode on Hacker News soon. ;)

You the real one!

by freetinker12 days ago

Yup, thanks Dang!

by TheBigLebowski12 days ago

Non-American but I do truly appreciate any holiday that puts emphasis on taking stock of what, and who, you are lucky enough to have in your life. Keep on hacking and posting folks, and I'll remain thankful for many years to come!

by NotPractical12 days ago

It's pleasant to see something like this on here mixed in with all the technical posts. Happy thanksgiving!

by bhu1st12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving all. I'm from Kathmandu, Nepal we celebrate something similar around October, called Dashain, the spirit is the same. Family time, good food and being thankful for what we have.

by deberon12 days ago

What is the appropriate way to wish somebody a happy Dashain?

by bhu1st11 days ago

Simply say Happy Dashain!

by tjpnz12 days ago

To all those saying it's a strictly American affair I would point out that Japan also has it's own version on the same week.

Happy Labor Thanksgiving Day everyone!

by dang12 days ago

What is the Japanese version of Thanksgiving? I had no idea.

by krapp12 days ago
by Tokelin12 days ago

I may not celebrate Thanksgiving (not American) but I would still like to say thanks to hacker news. I don't remember how long ago I discovered it, but it's been an amazing journey. Let it never end. Thank you to this amazing community.

by mayankkaizen11 days ago

I am not a technocrat by any means. I don't even work any engineering company, much less software company. In last 5 years, I've stopped using Twitter, Facebook and Reddit. In my real life, I have absolutely nobody to talk about anything which is remotely intellectual or technology. Heck, I can't even talk about great movies, books and music. Have been suffering from depression practically all my life

While living such a life, HN is THE ONLY place where I get some sort of satisfaction. This is the only place where I find practically everyone smarter than me. This is the only place where people can discuss stuffs without any agenda, propaganda, hate or anything like that. This is the only place where comments offer better insights than the posted article. This is one of only two website (other is wikipedia) where people's positive efforts show up. This site has actually made me a critical thinker. People talk about stuffs, even about non technological topics, which people in my real life don't even have any clue about. This is the only place where I have to think thrice before commenting anything. I mean I can rarely add anything to discussion which is better than other posts. There is so much to learn here.

And Dang, you are a great moderator. You are taking good care of this beautiful garden called HN.

Thank you HN and all the members. You guys don't realize how much change you bring in lives of people like me who have no direct connection to 'intellectual' world.

by cirrus312 days ago

Agree. As much as this place drives up my anxiety and displeasure everyday, it is still my #1 source for news that I care to hear about. Kind of a low bar, but hey, still above the bar =)

by DoreenMichele12 days ago

HN is the best place I've found to discuss medical stuff in a serious and sciency manner, for which I am endlessly grateful.

by eru12 days ago

You might like https://astralcodexten.substack.com/ and Slate Star Codex.

by Godel_unicode12 days ago

Ah yes, the people who keep promoting ivermectin despite a mountain of evidence that it doesn't do what they wish it would. The idea that something is effective in one place but not in another, because although similar it's different in several important ways, seems to just be too much for them. It's unfortunate, really. It's also amazing to me that these people don't seem to have thought of the most obvious proof that it doesn't work: a publicly traded American big pharma company is saying very clearly "do not buy our product for treating COVID-19".

One of the most distressing things to me about the last 2 years is the bright line that has been drawn under the innumeracy of the general population of the world.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use...

by dang12 days ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by dt3ft12 days ago

I am very thankful for being alive and for getting to experience this world, no matter how cruel it may be at times. I survived 4 years of war that begun when I was 9 years old in the 90s. There is plenty to be thankful for.

Happy thanksgiving!

by michaelsbradley12 days ago

We give Thee thanks, almighty God, for all Thy benefits, who livest and reignest for ever and ever. Amen.

May the Lord grant us His peace and life everlasting. Amen.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by chainwax12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving! Hackernews has been a godsend for me and my success as a software engineer is owed in part to this forum.

I grew up the son of an English teacher. As a kid, I was always encouraged to look up words I didn't know in the dictionary. I do the same thing here, just replace words with topics and the dictionary with Google. The sheer amount of topics that I now know "enough to have a conversation about" is insane.

On posts about new versions of libraries, frameworks, languages, services, etc, it is not uncommon to see members of the teams that built them chatting about it in the comments. Hearing from developers directly rather than release notes or marketing dribble is so refreshing.

The holy wars that go on in comments sections are also always entertaining. Honestly, those are probably my favorite part.

I've never found a board/community online that is as high quality, informative in topics I care about, or entertaining as this one. I'm thankful for HN, the mods, and the community here.

by Dumblydorr12 days ago

Today, I am thankful for all of the technologists who made the greatest tool of all time: the computer. And here's to the greatest language of all time: VBA. Haha just kidding, it's obviously Rust. Or is it? Hehehehe.

Just getting my snarky comment practice in before the family dinner. Alright, I'm off to bake a sweet potato souffle!

by meken12 days ago

I am thankful for the recent Ask HN thread where the guy mentioned he feels dumb and lazy. I found it very relatable and it caused good introspection on my part as well.

by Russelfuture11 days ago

Yes, absolutely, I want to say this also. Hacker News / Ycombinator is very fine and excellent. Thanx for running this site. It is unique, the format is genius simple, and I learn and discover things here I would otherwise have no knowledge of. We are in rural location in Canada, coming in via Starlink now. The internet is critical for us. It is our economic, social and scientific link to the world. Sites of the quality of Hacker News are rare now. If we ever manage to get to and live on Mars, I hope we can have satellite relay link to HN. Happy Thanxgiving to everyone. And best of luck for everyone's future projects!

by rajasimon12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving HN. I'm living in India and recently got the US company offer through HackerNews. It's truely one of the best forum that I recommend to my friends and families. Stay safe!

by stephenitis12 days ago

I am thankful for this community helping largely stay off normal news sources and providing me with healthy discussion to jog my brain in some long ass Austrian lockdowns.

Thanks everyone & HN staff

by swader99912 days ago

Happy for some. We're only allowed to have gatherings of six people. Up to twenty for funerals. Sadly, our beloved family pet turkey passed away yesterday.

by dudus12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I hope you can spend some time with family this holidays.

You are all beautiful, bickering, nerds. And I love you all.

by m0llusk12 days ago

An interesting game, mr_o47. The only winning move is to play.

by jonplackett12 days ago

Pretty much the only place on the internet where the comments are as intelligent and informative - or more so - than the articles themselves.

Actually, that’s probably a much higher bar than needs leaping over - it’s pretty much the only place where the comments aren’t just a bunch of hate filled bile.

by busymom012 days ago

We had the Canadian thanksgiving few weeks ago. Happy thanksgiving to all my American friends and family!

by tehlike12 days ago

We recently learned our friend's 9-month-old was diagnosed with leukemia. I have a two year old daughter, and cant even imagine the pain they are going through.

This year, I am thankful for being healthy as a family, and i am praying for the kid.

That's all.

by Ccecil12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving.

Eat some food, love your fellow humans but most importantly.

Thank you to all the Opensource Devs

by bob102912 days ago

There is no other place like this on the internet.

I would like to thank everyone who visits this site and participates in these excellent conversation threads.

Extra special thanks to dang for keeping all of these cats in 1 bag.

by rackjack12 days ago

In terms of Hacker News specific gratitude, I am thankful for the deep and diverse level of experience lots of people on here possess, and the moderators who enable these voices to rise to the top.

by vmception12 days ago

It’s a nice reason to recollect what you are thankful for or can be as other people share

To me i can appreciate that far more than worrying about the origin story, but the version thats told is inspirational too

by authed12 days ago
by kmstout12 days ago

I've butterflied turkeys for years and the results have always been great. Evenly cooked, juicy meat. Crispy skin. Less time. (You can also cook the bird atop a layer of stuffing.)

by authed12 days ago

It is a great way to cook chicken and turkey.

by sakopov12 days ago

My 10th year on HN after several years lurking. There is no better place on internet. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Stay healthy, be kind and count your blessings.

by Zensynthium12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving everyone! Proud to be a part of the community. Been here for about a year now and I'm looking forward to another one with you all!

by rookderby12 days ago

I am thankful for this site, and the awesome comments from users. I'm really thankful for comments with sources and that a lot of users follow the guidelines [1]. It makes for interesting reading. Thanks for a place I can read something new on every day.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by oschvr12 days ago

I got hired through Hacker News, thanks to this forum !

by waleedamer12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving!!!

by yawnxyz12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving!!

I actually find stuff and learn stuff on here that's relevant to both my personal and professional development.

Stuff I've learned here includes: how to manage my own time better and make better decisions, how to do better code testing, lots of pro- and anti- crypto stuff, and a ton more. I've also discovered things like Svelte JS, CUE Lang, and a ton of other tools I use daily.

So thanks, HN!!

by eganist12 days ago

This is nice, and I'm glad you posted it, and I'm glad it's still up.

Happy thanksgiving! And for non-Americans wondering what it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

Controversy around origin aside, hey at least the spirit of it is nice.

by randycupertino12 days ago

Thank you hacker news commentors for being more thoughtful, insightful, and well-spoken than people commenting on Reddit! Always enjoy and appreciate the discussions and threads on here and love finding interesting articles and thought-provoking commentary.

Additionally, truly appreciate the text-based interface!

by drakonka12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving! There is no Thanksgiving in my country, but I have been reflecting on my work life as we approach the end of the year and I'm really thankful for having gotten to spend 14 happy years working with a bunch of different, interesting tech stacks.

by splch12 days ago

discovered this site this year! super thankful for that :)

by DeathArrow12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving to all Americans!

by DeathArrow12 days ago

Why the downvote? Not everybody here is from US.

by sul_tasto12 days ago

Can’t say I agree with the downvote. Nevertheless, even though Thanksgiving is a US holiday, the spirit of Thanksgiving is to invite and include everyone. You don’t have to be a US citizen to celebrate Thanksgiving.

by area51org12 days ago

Let's be thankful for being alive.

EDIT: "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." –Carl Sagan

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I wonder what Carl Sagan would say about Black Friday.

by app4soft12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving, Y'all!

#np “Your job is my smile”[0]

[0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1464011349885870091

by 0x0089 days ago

I fear the day when hacker news will be gone. I will probably never again be able to keep up with developments in the tech space.

by systemvoltage12 days ago

Interesting bunch, thanks for good discussion and thanks to the HN team.

by atlasunshrugged12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving, thanks to everyone who makes this an informative and interesting place and especially thanks to Dang for the usually thankless job of moderating tough discussions!

by jayolden11 days ago

I have read and learned a lot of things throughout my stay here in HN. I am hoping to learn more things in the future. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

by aspenmayer12 days ago

Thank you, HN, one and all. You’re my favorite online place.

by primitivesuave12 days ago

It's been over 8 years for me with you wonderful people, thank you all so much for the immeasurable wisdom you have imparted over the years.

by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK12 days ago

My daily news fix converged to just two sources - HN and Daily Science telegram channels. Thank you guys for liberating me from the Reddit hell!

by embit11 days ago

Yes happy thanks giving HNers. This is the only place I visit multiple times a day and each visit is educational. Thanks

by larodi12 days ago

Most honest gratitude to all of you who contribute with incredible comments and valuable insights in the comments section!

by rcconf12 days ago

Thank you all, HN is a fantastic community.

by ablekh12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving! I appreciate this community and wish everyone all the best this holiday season and beyond.

by plainOldText12 days ago

I – like other people have reported – have grown tremendously intellectually by reading HN through the years.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by enimodas12 days ago

Let's try to not go shopping this year so those retail workers can also have a happy thanksgiving.

by Toobam12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving day family. I love you all here. May the gods of tech be with you all.

by teruakohatu12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving. This is such a wonderful community that I am so pleased to be part of.

by Skunkleton11 days ago

This is a great time to be thankful for what make HN great for me. Thanks Dang!

by rfreytag12 days ago

Yes! Happy thanksgiving to all y'all (especially you dang)!

by barrenko12 days ago

HN and coding is keeping me sane since March 2020.

Thank you OP and everyone on HN.

by tartoran12 days ago

Happy TG HN, Dang and PG

by myohmy12 days ago

Happy turkey day everyone!

I hope your turkey comes out better than mine did...

by b2000012 days ago

thanks, and happy thanksgiving to you as well and everyone else here. apart from the occasional ranting and bitching this has been a very nice place.

by teddyh12 days ago

Thanksgiving?

I guess next up is President’s Day? Columbus Day?

by jollybean12 days ago

Happy 'American' Thanksgiving. :)

by ionwake12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving dang and to all of you

by ryan0x0012 days ago

Much love. Happy thanksgiving <3

by kodon12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving back at you

by goblinux12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving y'all!

by knaik9412 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving y'all

by OMGCable12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

by b3lvedere12 days ago

Happy thanksgiving everyone!

by 555562412 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

by TuneG12 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.

by kwertyoowiyop12 days ago

this->gratitude++; // thank you (almost) all!

by maxcx11 days ago

Happy Thanksgiving!

by Huhty12 days ago

Right back at ya!

by sheetbird12 days ago

happy

by senectus112 days ago

hows this thankful thing work? is it a specifically Christian thing or is it secular?

I'm peripherally aware it has something to do with (North American first nation) Indians and early settlers plus it tends to involve feasting on turkey and pumpkin dishes.

by pdonis12 days ago

> is it a specifically Christian thing or is it secular?

As far as the US holiday is concerned, it's secular, by which I mean it is celebrated by pretty much everybody regardless of religious persuasion (or lack thereof).

by skissane12 days ago

It is Christian in origin, albeit a minor local Christian tradition (developed in the US) rather than a major near-universal one. Like many Christian traditions, it has been secularised, just as Christmas has been. I think the big difference between Thanksgiving and Christmas, is the Christian origins of the later are much harder to forget. That’s why relatively few Jews (for example) are willing to celebrate Christmas even in a wholly secularised form, whereas the majority of American Jews have no problem with celebrating Thanksgiving-Christmas is still identified with its Christian origins in a way in which Thanksgiving is not.

That said, not all American Jews do view Thanksgiving as acceptable. Among ultra-Orthodox Jews, the belief is widespread that celebrating Thanksgiving violates Jewish religious law against observing non-Jewish festivals. Likewise, some conservative Muslims (Salafis in particular) view Thanksgiving as haram for parallel reasons. You might say these Jewish and Muslim objectors are paying more attention to the festival’s Christian origins than most Americans do.

Thanksgiving isn’t the only example of a minor American Christian tradition being secularised - the same is true of Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. Unlike Thanksgiving, which is rarely observed outside of North America, Mother’s Day and Father’s Day have spread to most of the rest of the English-speaking world, even if not always on the same date. Many cultures have indigenous traditions of festivals to celebrate motherhood and/or fatherhood, going back centuries or more; but in Anglophone countries, Mother’s Day and Father’s Day are generally American in origin, and only date to the 20th century, not due to one of those older traditions.

by hiyer12 days ago

> It is Christian in origin, albeit a minor local Christian tradition (developed in the US) rather than a major near-universal one.

It is Christian only in the sense that the people who celebrated it were Christian. The events that led to the festival were purely political in nature, and not necessarily wholesome either.

1. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/thanksgivi...

2. https://www.salon.com/2016/11/23/thanksgiving-a-day-of-mourn...

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by skissane12 days ago

Thanksgiving, as a consistent national holiday formally observed every year, was established by Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation in 1863, which declared it a day for “Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens”. Clearly religious in nature, although no doubt Lincoln had political motivations as well - the two are not mutually exclusive. 1621 was in itself a one-off event; the fact that it was later cited as justification for a regular observance says more about those later times than about 1621, and how 1621 was presented at those later times (such as in 1863, but also various earlier times too-it was observed at the state/local level, and intermittently nationally too, before Lincoln made it a regular national observance) is more important than what really happened for the purpose of determining whether it should be classified as religious. Abraham Lincoln appears to have not believed in Christianity personally (his personal beliefs are obscure, but he may have been some kind of deist); but when he made that proclamation I think he was expecting most Americans to understand it in Christian terms and most Americans at the time in fact did.

by senectus112 days ago

interesting. So its an American Settler Christian event thats been, as usual typically watered down for the mass marketability.

We dont have it here in Australia (except apparently on a small island off to the side of the mainland). We don't really have any sort of festival or celebration that is comparable.

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by skissane12 days ago

I think the equivalent for the majority of Australians really is Christmas. Americans tend to see extended family on Thanksgiving, whereas Christmas (for those who observe it) tends to be a smaller affair more likely to be spent with immediate family only. By contrast, Australians are much more likely to see extended family at Christmas. Also, our traditional equivalent to the Black Friday sales is the Boxing Day sales, which is another way in which Australian Christmas = American Thanksgiving. Very many secular Australians celebrate Christmas in a completely secular way, with no religious component.

Of course it is not entirely equivalent, in that Thanksgiving is a more religiously inclusive holiday than Christmas is. While there are people with a religious objection to both, there are many more with a religious objection to the later but not the former.

by eru12 days ago

Thanksgiving is a bit like Christmas Eve. It's the evening before Black Friday.

by grp00012 days ago

Now, let us pray to the one True God of the United States, Consumerism.

by hollerith12 days ago

Many cultures celebrate the annual harvest although maybe not all of them combine it with gratitude.

by eru12 days ago

Many cultures in temperate climates do.

Much further away from the equator, you can't really do agriculture to harvest stuff. Closer to the equator you can often do multiple harvests a year.

Mentioning this not just to be pedantic (though I enjoy that), but also because the connection between our physical surroundings and culture are endlessly fascinating.

See eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmjIBD2Fd4

by implements12 days ago

(A British person ponders …) “Why do Americans have two Christmas-type celebrations (travel, food, family drama) a month apart? It seems … odd.”

by marginalia_nu12 days ago

To be fair, both New Year's Eve and Christmas are essentially the same holiday (a solstice celebration missing the mark by a few days).

by Turing_Machine12 days ago

Thanksgiving is more of a (somewhat late) harvest festival than a solstice festival.

by kwertyoowiyop12 days ago

If you’re recommending we add another two in June and July for symmetry, I’m up for that.

by area51org12 days ago

Let's just be thankful for what we have.

by sakopov12 days ago

I mean, you clearly know exactly what the holiday is about. What's the point of your comment?

by SwiftyBug12 days ago

If @usnectus1 asked this here is because they wanted to initiate a conversation about thanks giving in this very light-hearted post (which, gasp, happened). It's not like they are spamming or cluttering a technical post with an "easily googleable question".

This year I'm thankful I don't have to deal with that kind of behaviour outside the internet.

by senectus112 days ago

I was actually curious of the personal views on this. Sure I can google and delve into different non-authoritive sources. But HN is a community i value their points of views (mostly).

The only thing that comes to mind about my knowledge of Thanks Giving is from the Addams Family Values film... I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be taking that revision of a historical event too seriously.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

Yep, it’s weird to see all the cheerful “Happy Thanksgiving” comments. I mostly associate the holiday with genocide. And when people talk about Black Friday I think of the poor working conditions of workers overseas whose country has been turned in to a factory for cheap goods for Americans and Europeans. The consumerist excitement for the next shiny good trains us to see joy in consumption even as our consumption is destroying the most beautiful thing we know, the Earth. It’s depressing seeing all the ads for more landfill fodder and doubly so to see people excited about it. New technology can be liberating but Black Friday is a celebration of overproduction as fantasy and practice and it’s grotesque.

EDIT: Flagged? Have I broken a rule? Or just raised an uncomfortable subject?

by sheetbird12 days ago

This site is poison. Very pretentious, Silicon Valley try-hards. Please downvote me you delicate geniuses!

by khazhoux11 days ago
by arpa12 days ago

Happy United States Holiday to you too good fellow. I hope to live to see greetings for obscure Ghana holiday on the front page as well.

Yeah I got karma to burn, but this is the hill i want to die on. Too many a good place went to ruin due to eternal septemberites coming from one place geographically and inadvertedly creating a monoculture. I get that ycombinator is US based, but hacker culture is so much more than just US.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I really do not understand why someone's comment about how Native Americans view thanksgiving, and my response to it, got flagged. Is it off topic? Is my concern for consumerism over Black Friday not relevant? I understand it's not a cheerful subject but there are many historical aspects of this holiday that are in fact not cheerful. I found it unsettling to see pure positivity when to me this feels like a day of mourning. I thought it appropriate to discuss, or is there some rule in violation?

by DoreenMichele12 days ago

Flags are typically by users, not staff.

I hesitated to leave my comment here because I'm part Native and aware that it's complicated. The kind of comment you left is not the best way to broach such subjects.

I would like to see more articles about Natives generally without focusing overly much on the victim narrative. I think I'm alive in part because of my Native heritage, for which I am also deeply grateful.

My other comment that I'm talking about: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29338387

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I appreciate your comment. I guess I am frustrated because I grew up with the colonizer mindset, that the Europeans who came here were nice people that did nice things and everyone had a big party together. I did a school play when I was a kid about making friends with the Natives.

It wasn't until after school that I learned what was really going on, and now when I see celebration for this day I really do just think of genocide. Probably not the best way to approach this but I was surprised at how strongly users are flagging any comment that mentions it. It makes me feel like people want to keep up their cognitive dissonance, and it feels like that mechanism is what allows our nation to continue harming first nations people to this day.

by DoreenMichele12 days ago

Redacted for privacy reasons.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I understand the people were not exterminated. Genocide does not require extermination, a partial extermination still counts as genocide.

"Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group—in whole or in part." - Wikipeda

In my comment I mentioned that I am concerned about how widespread willful ignorance of these matters allows our nation to continue harming first nations peoples today. So certainly I am not spreading some extermination rhetoric.

And I agree with you that my comment was not the best approach for getting people to understand. But I was responding to someone who already understood, and commiserating with them. Unfortunately my comment was flagged and killed, so others could not see how I feel.

That knee jerk desire to bury discussion of the truth is what concerns me. That same reaction allowed police to mass arrest protesters fighting Enbridge's Line 3 oil pipeline.

It seems clear to me the culture in the USA is one that wants to ignore what really happened. I think it is good that you post positive articles about Native culture and history, but I know too there must be a time to look at the facts head on, without blinders, and acknowledge what happened. I say this not to look back, but to look at those today who hold our founders in reverence every holiday season as bastions of freedom, even when their crimes are well known. The people must hear stories of George Washington and think "Town Destroyer"[1], not "cherry tree".

My aim is not to convince, but to show the strength of our cognitive dissonance by telling the truth. And this thread today has done a lot to illustrate how strong that dissonance is.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Destroyer

by toni12 days ago

Hi Taylor!

Clearly you touched on a very sensitive subject. I was also surprised that my link was flagged by this much people, as it was a very informative blog post about the fact that some First Nation tribes might have a different point of view about what Thanksgiving actually means to them.

I did email dang and asked if he can take a look at down votes in this thread. But either way, keep up the good work and don't get disappointed by the sheer amount of injustices!

by brink12 days ago

If it feels like a day of mourning to you, then go ahead and mourn. You seem to believe that we are celebrating what you are mourning; we're not.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I promise you I don't have any opinion about what you are celebrating. I do not think people here are celebrating genocide, I think they are ignoring it and then downvoting and flagging comments that mention it. That behavior does not seem appropriate to me.

by thepasswordis12 days ago

Man, why don't you just go outside and get some fresh air? Seriously nobody wants to hear this. Don't yuck other peoples yum.

Nobody is celebrating genocide. People want to get together with their families and be happy.

by dang12 days ago

Please don't get personal.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: also, please don't call names - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29338611 is not ok here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

by jeabays12 days ago

You are celebrating a holiday commemorating western settlers committing genocide against the indigenous nations of America, whether you choose to recognize it or not, that is indeed its historical legacy.

by thepasswordis12 days ago

That is absolutely not what the holiday is for. If you believe that, you are either lying, or are suffering some sort of paranoid delusion. Go outside.

by Godel_unicode12 days ago

> Is it off topic?

Yes.

> Is my concern for consumerism over Black Friday not relevant?

To a post about being thankful on Thanksgiving? It is absolutely not relevant. Let people be happy.

by throwaway98439312 days ago

That's what the Dutch say about Black Pete. It's just a bit of blackface, and the children are happy.

by thepasswordis12 days ago

Just to be blunt: because eventually nobody wants to hear it anymore.

This has been an extremely brutal couple of years for everybody, and by most estimations the brutality is going to continue. People want something to be happy about, and the idea of sharing things they're thankful for is that. You don't need to take that from them.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

Historically, American's have never wanted to hear the truth about what the colonists did to the indigenous people of America. I would not say this is a recent phenomenon. But giving ourselves a pass to forget it allows us to perpetuate the violence against indigenous people.

by exdsq12 days ago

People don't want to deal with an Ebenezer Scrooge saying "bah humbug" after a year of lockdowns and not seeing families. Interesting topic but maybe one for after the holidays.

Cool robots in your bio :)

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I'm not saying "bah humbug", I am saying this country was founded on genocide and that our celebrations of early american life have too often ignored the truth about how we behaved. To celebrate only the positives during the holiday with the expectation that we will talk about atrocities later, we let ourselves off the hook to face the reality of what happened. Doing so only allows us to perpetuate the violence our nation has visited upon indigenous peoples since its founding. You need only look at the treatment of indigenous people protesting against Enbridge's Line 3 Oil Pipeline to see that violence continue. [1]

The cool robots mean nothing if we cannot find our humanity and understand our past behavior so we may stop repeating it.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/climate/line-3-pipeline-p...

by protomyth12 days ago

Users flag and I would assume I mostly associate the holiday with genocide. did it. Then you have the wrong association given the current tribal views on the holiday. This view doesn't help anyone and actively hurts the perception of the tribes. Can we just have one day where we are thankful and get along?

I work at a TCU and we gathered canned items as a staff to distribute to the less fortunate. That's the actual spirit of Thanksgiving.

by DonHopkins12 days ago

4/20 is also traditionally celebrated as Hitler's birthday by white supremacists, but that doesn't mean all the stoners and hippies who celebrate cannabis on that same day are also celebrating Hitler trying to exterminate the Jews.

Decent people have reclaimed the day 4/20 and number 420 for better purposes than celebrating Hitler's birthday, the same way "queers" have reclaimed that term as our own and use it in the acronym LGBTQ+.

So let's please not let the white supremacists who celebrate American's genocide against the original natives maintain their exclusive claim on Thanksgiving, which literally means giving thanks, which is a good thing for everyone to do in general.

by zozbot23412 days ago

While Thanksgiving is indeed partially a celebration of the yearly harvest, to say "Thanksgiving is just about giving thanks" really misses the point of what people are rightly complaining about - which is that much of the folklore relating to the holiday amounts to a celebration of collective denial around the historically dismal and dishonorable ways English settlers behaved towards the natives. And the controversy about Thanksgiving is not even new: Mark Twain acknowledged it as early as the 1920s! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(United_States)#C...

by DonHopkins9 days ago

Here's a good article about reclaiming Thanksgiving written by a Native American.

As A Native American, Here's What I Want My Fellow Americans To Know About Thanksgiving

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/native-american-thanksgiving_...

>“I can choose how I feel about this day, but it is a choice. I can either let the holiday claim me, or choose to reclaim it.”

>If I could ask one thing from my non-indigenous fellow Americans when it comes to Thanksgiving, I would ask that you refrain from teaching the romanticized version of the holiday. Read to your children about what it means to be thankful, what it means to heal and be a family. Learn as a family about the tribal nation that is local to where you live. Take time during dinner to recognize whose traditional lands you give thanks on. Take this holiday into your own hands and understand that not every Native will have good feelings about this day, and be accepting of that. We can all choose how we feel about this holiday, but it is always our own choice.

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by yesenadam12 days ago

> Mark Twain acknowledged it as early as the 1920s!

He died in 1910.

by protomyth12 days ago

They never had an exclusive or even a meaningful claim on Thanksgiving. I grew up on rezs and have never heard such. Thanksgiving has always been a celebrated holiday that shows Native American generosity.

by TaylorAlexander12 days ago

I'm stating a flat fact about my beliefs. It is how I see the holiday.

> Then you have the wrong association given the current tribal views on the holiday.

Which tribal views? I was responding to a comment that linked to a purportedly indigenous American view that mentioned the link to genocide.

> actively hurts the perception of the tribes.

Tell that to the people who wrote the article linked in the comment I was responding to.

> we gathered canned items as a staff to distribute to the less fortunate. That's the actual spirit of Thanksgiving.

How do you define "actual?" My understanding of indigenous life in the Americas before colonization is that people would have been cared for based on need year round, not once a year.

by throwaway98439312 days ago

It's one of the unspoken rules here ("Thou shalt not bring up painful or inconvenient truths", related to "Thou shalt not be controversial in a way that doesn't reinforce our beliefs"). But now you're violating an actual rule too ("Thou shalt not comment on being downvoted/flagged").

by KingOfCoders12 days ago

I'm with you, as probably are most people outside of the US.

To my knowledge it is the only celebration of the beginning of a genocide today.

by Afforess12 days ago

Today celebrates thanksgiving and the apocalypse for Native Americans. On one hand, sad, on the other hand, proof that people can live, perhaps even thrive, beyond the apocalypse. It may become more relevant to us after the end of climate change or other world events.

by midasuni12 days ago

That was 2 months ago